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There is one rather pointed clue in Half-Blood Prince, when Lupin visits More to the point, when he tries to talk Tonks out of a relationship, his. As cute as the relationship between Remus Lupin and Nymphadora Tonks was in canon, I always thought that Remus was going to wind up. 2. Firstly, I know that Lupin and Tonks are canon. I am canon's bitch, and as such, I accept the relationship. It is there, in black and white. I have nothing against.
And she knew that her son was safe and cared for, and she was, I think fighting as much for his future in the same way Remus was. The fact that they both died is both sad and happy, but I am glad that they were able to embark on that next great adventure Emmy September 17th,4: I kind of agree, I just wish that she had taken more time out to develop it so it would have made more sense.
I especially thought the marriage was really really out of the blue. It did seem kind of to appear out of the blue I wish we could have more insight into their relationship PotterGurl08 September 17th,6: You know, I never quite looked at it that way.
All this time I've been quite sad over Lupin and Tonk's death because I really liked them as characters and I just thought their story ended so sadly But when you look at it the way you say, it isn't so bad. It is quite happy.
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Thanks for the insight! I never said that Sirius and Remus would make a good pair I think Sirius and I would make a good pair: But if you see the amount of fan fiction there is about Remus and Sirius, it would stagger you. And they have been around for a long time.
I think I read one some seven years ago. Also it is reported that JK herself was none too happy about the slash shippers. She has expressed her grief over some of the pairings like Draco and Harry and Snape and Sirius. Sure they would hypothetically make a good couple but Jk didn't sell that idea well to the readers I have to say that I agree. I know they say opposites attract, but I never really enjoyed reading about the romance as it certainly wasnt a happy one.
She portrays and rocky and unstable romance and then ends it all by killing off both characters. I think she could have showed remus return a bit more affection towards Tonks, instead of leaving the reader wondering whether Remus really loved Tonks or not.
Even now I am still on the fence on whether Remus really loved Tonks and if he did, whether his feelings were as strong as hers. This pairing has to be one of the most vague and incomplete romances of the entire series. I think you might have to share him, but I am sure that could be arranged, through some sort of time share agreement. I've seen it, and it does shock me a bit the fact of it, not the pairing itselfbut then its just stories. The characters in these stories are never really the ones JKR created, as everyone has their own spin; but then all non canon fanfiction bemuses me.
She seems particularly savvy when it comes to managing the Potter brand. I figure they were put together: So that Teddy would mirror Harry, and yet be an antithesis to him, in that he had a happy childhood. Lillbet September 17th,6: I think they were friends and I think Tonks had a crush on Lupin. I'm not convinced they were a couple before- Lupin is adept at worrying and navel-gazing, and it seemed to me that he was entirely too caught up in the business of freaking out over what his "disease" would do to her that he never allowed himself to enjoy a relationship.
I think that they probably worked together for awhile- perhaps they bonded a bit after the fight at the Ministry? I don't think he did. As I said above- I think he was far too concerned about what his "furry little problem" love that bit would do and the repercussions it would have in terms of a relationship that he wasn't able to return her affection.
In general, also, I got the feeling Tonks was one of those very stubborn, persistent types. My impression, while reading, is that she loved him much more than he her and that it was in her nature to get all worked up about things. One thing I really loved about DH is that Rowling pulled back the curtain, sts, on each character and let you really see them for what they were.
From the beginning of the series Lupin came across as pitiable, morose, rootless, smart and funny, calm and fearless, but at the same time so sad. In DH he was revealed to be more human- his fear of attachment to Tonks, his fear of letting people down, his need to prove himself worthy were all brought to the fore.
Tonks- well, I still never got enough of a sense of her to really understand or like her well enough. She was a mess o' flaws- kind of the embodiment of love and romance. True love is about accepting another person's shortcomings and seeing them for what they truly are. Tonks accepted Lupin- almost as wholly as Sirius had when he was a kid- and I think that both attracted and repelled him. He clearly accepted her love, finally, but whether it truly made him happy wasn't entirely clear it may have said so in the text, but I just didn't get that impression.
There is no way to stop fans from writing whatever they want. Even now they would write an alternative universe story where Sirius and Remus were still alive and Tonks moved to the Bahamas. I also agree that JKR's purpose was to show a mirror of Harry, she said as much in an interview.
She would know that nothing she wrote could ever stop the shippers. It was also kind of cool for Remus to experience a romantic relationship and marry considering all he'd been through during life. From his viewpoint and the readers it would be quite unexpected.
Beatifically September 18th,1: A lot of people were really shocked by their relationship, but I wasn't. When I first heard of their relationship after OotP I wasn't surprised. All in OotP they seem to be around each other! Since they had so many moments together, naturally they fell in love.
Even though there are some canon ships, that won't stop fans! I don't think that the pair was created so they could have a baby, be killed, and then have Teddy mirror Harry. I'm not sure why she chose them to get together, but she decided to unexpectedly kill them off while writing for DH, so we now it wasn't because of Teddy. I've thought of some more questions! And if you guys want to ask some, feel free.
How do you think they were different? Affectionate, strict, etc use your imagination! But I don't think she originally created them to die either.
But maybe she came up with the idea of Teddy during DH: I understand what you are saying but why would Remus tell three teenagers that he doesn't necessarily love his wife? I am sure he cared about Harry but they were never close. Their relationship was that of a favorite teacher and his student and nothing more So if Remus didn't love Tonks again I am not saying that he didn't he wouldn't tell that to Harry.
I never said that they don't love each other I am just saying that JK never gave us enough reason to root for them as a couple. I just can't believe them as a couple. In the same way I can't believe that Remus and Harry would suddenly forge an intimate relationship which they sort of did in the last book It felt surreal that all of a sudden Harry would fight with Remus and suddenly they have become as close as Sirius and Harry I know that there are a lot of Remus Lupin fans out there seeing as I am one of them: Well Tonks was his wife, and given the intended audience for these books, I don't think JKR would have ever put a distinctly turbulent, uneven, aloof, and raked with angst marriage into her books.
I mean seriously what a way to speed up, the inevitable, growth of cynicism in children. I really just thought that Remus was like an uncle to Harry: They had a more adult relationship in DH, which is inevitable given Harry's age and growth in maturity. However, I figure had Lupin lived, it would have developed into a fruitful and mature friendship. I respect your impression from the reading, however, I feel like the Remus and Harry one has been developing since POA.
It was certainly a lot less obvious than his with Sirius, but Sirius had no reservations about getting close to people; I think that made a difference because his feelings about others were more obvious. Maybe Remus and Harry's relationship was more obvious to me because I tuned in so much on Remus, lol.
I didn't mind Tonks and Remus at all because I thought it was great for Remus to have a relationship and marriage and a child during his life albeit it for just a short while. It kind of completed his tale.
And it still ended up how I wanted in the end, I thought JKR wrote a genius of a tale with his character and the inclusion of Tonks was great.
I don't think J. Harry looked at Sirius like a father Lupin, at that moment in Grimmauld Place, was being very honest with them and he think he respected and trusted Harry enough to tell him if he didn't love Tonks. I don't think of love in terms of Harry loving his Dad more than Sirius more than Remus more than Fred, etc. I think Harry loved many people and each uniquely based on the interactions and relationship he had with them. For example, did Harry love Hermione or Ginny more?
Well the answer is imo that he loved them both, but in a way unique to them. The same was true with Lupin. He loved Sirius, James, Harry and Molly and more each in a special way that was unique to them. And he loved Tonks too in a special way unique to his relationship with her. Lillbet September 18th,5: I couldn't put my finger on it at first, but I felt the same way. It seemed as though Lupin was meant to fill the void left by Sirius, but that there was a lot of history and build-up that was just plain left out.
It's the same with Lupin and Tonks- we never see them happy together until the very end, so it was a bit awkward to be asked to believe that they were a couple.
Of course, Harry doesn't see everything that's happening, but at the same time he does see a great deal. One could argue that Lupin and Harry became close in PoA and GoF, but that didn't imo lead to the sudden closeness they shared here. Also the way he was so worried about how his marriage to her had ruined her life. If his feelings towards her had not temporaily overidden his reservations then he would not have married her. Also, why would Arthur, Molly etc.
I seriously doubt that everyone would encourage a relationship that either wasn't there or would be one-sided. I doubt Lupin saw it, but sometimes, an outsider's view is essential.
Harry didn't see it until the end of HBP. I would say it was Harry's nature as written. And yet, he loved him very much. Harry was with Remus more time overall than he was with Sirius, so it wasn't surprising to me that they would develop a relationship.
I agree we as readers were forced along in both cases - but we just have to figure that we didn't see everything. We know here were times when we were not shown things; there were times Harry was just 'with Sirius' at the house Christmas and we don't know what went on.
We'd go from one day to the next and in a sentence JKR would narrate that 'the end of Christmas arrived'. So one has to assume that during those times Harry got closer with both Remus and Sirius. At some point Harry stopped calling Remus 'professor Lupin', as did Hermione - when did that happen?
We didn't see it - we can only suspect it was in HBP when they were together at the house. We never saw Harry give Sirius a hug or tell him he cared or loved him, but since the story ended up that way, we have to accept it happened for Harry - same with Remus.
And in fact, same with Tonks Tonks and Remus' relationship was completely off page and so it too could seem forced on the reader as were Ginny and Harry - but we just have to accept that it evolved off page. They certainly didn't go from holding hands at the funeral to married without speaking to one another merely because we didn't see it imo. Harry loved Arthur Weasley as well, but they had so little interaction that we saw, many would hardly credit it. But the closeness that Harry felt for the Weasley parents was something else that we were to assume based on JKR's interview indicating that he did.
But I think in the end that inter-relationships with the exception of the trio was not the focus of the book. It would have taken an extra pages per book to develop all of the relationships we saw formed and that would have changed the character of the series. Still, imo, while much was left up to our imagination, it was nice that couples like Tonks and Remus and Harry and Ginny got together and that Harry attained a closeness with various individuals in the background.
For me it just made the story richer. But we did not see much of Bill and Fluer either in any of the books Yet in the sixth book when Fluer holds on to Bill even though he is severely injured It made me root for that couple and love them. But when Tonks screamed only moments later at Remus I was rather taken aback. I was like "where did this come from" and I couldn't connect with them no matter how hard I tried.
It was sort of forced and surreal. It came out of nowhere and made no sense to me. Yes he was like a distant uncle that Harry respected and nothing more Therefore the way they talked to one another in the seventh book felt very out of place Like someone practicing lines for some play. They seemed to play parts Yet in the sixth book when Fluer holds on to Bill even though he is severely injured made me connect with that couple Therefore the way they talk to one another in the seventh book felt very out of place Like someone was practicing lines for some play.
I understand what you mean. I guess my imagination is always ready to fill in the blanks because I read so much fantasy.
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So I could easily move along with what JKR was doing. You love Sirius, so it was likely very easy for you to fill in any blanks as you read - but when I first read POA and then OOTP, I was shocked to find out at the end that Harry was so fond of him - they had just not been together much at all. But I just went with the flow. On re-reading I allowed myself to see things slightly differently, knowing that there are feelings developing that on the original read I did not allow for.
Bill and Fleur may have captured you due to the circumstances, but others may have seen that the same way you see Remus and Tonks. I mean we had only just heard about them at the start of the book - but they may have been dating for a while.5 Interesting Facts About Nymphadora Tonks
Others loved the idea of Ginny and Harry and had lots of time to develop the story in their heads - but if you didn't really care about that particular love story one way or the other like meobjectively, there was terribly little written between them and nothing to go on except imagination.
Yet, I went with the flow and just assumed that everyone's feelings were moving along as JKR indicated. But I do understand how the relationships could all seem forced and out of no where - I mean, I don't really recall Harry speaking to Arthur directly more than 3 times, but according to JKR he loves him too.
So, we just have to imagine: But the relationship between Harry and Sirius was intense I am sure that I didn't imagine it: I don't usually disagree with you ok I never disagree with you: You are right I do love Sirius but we do see a lot of interaction between Sirius and Harry.
Sirius sends him owls daily Sirius was the one Harry confided in when he had problems. In the fifth book, it was even more pronounced. Sirius visits Harry through the fire And in the third book, Harry hates Sirius with a gusto. They have some pretty intense scenes in that book Scenes that are quite possibly the most popular ones in the whole series.
And that intensity of hatred was just as easily converted into love when Harry found out the truth And the truth was this very heavy and intense revelation. We don't see that with Remus and Harry. Harry and Remus may care for one another but Harry never saw him as a confidante So in the seventh book their interactions were painful I wish JK had given us one moment with Remus and Tonks that was believable Well Padfoot, you say "we see", but I didn't see what you saw.
I didn't see most of what you saw with Harry and Sirius, lol. But that is what I mean, we fill in the blanks and come up with what we personally see. You say Harry and Sirius spent and entire summer together - when? He spent the end of the summer at Grimmauld, shortly before returning to School - at which time Remus was there as was Arthur.
We heard a few conversations with Harry and Sirius and none of them brotherly - in my opinion, they were more like mentor or godfather like.
When Harry was upset and told Sirius of a problem he had, Sirius sent him off to bed with a hand on the shoulder. That was probably seen by you as a loving gesture, but I was wondering myself why he didn't hug the kid.
So I think it really depends on how you see things. I don't recall daily owls either - but I may have merely read it without noticing, but because I read, tuning in on Remus, not Sirius, lol.
You say Harry never saw Remus as a confidant, and yet, I recall Harry confiding in him 4 times off of the top of my head - and the occassion you mentioned the ShackRemus did most of the talking.
When Harry asked to see Sirius in OOTP and Remus went to get him - Remus did most of the talking then too and was the one to think of how Snape might react and get on him for it and then Sirius joined in. Remus in HBP told Harry that he hadn't written because of being underground - but it is likely most people don't recall that at all - and why would he say that?
Why would he think Harry would think he would write? Well most won't even ask the question, they just go on reading. I do not say any of that to indicate that Harry didn't love Sirius to death, because I know he did - but just to point out that readers see things differently depending on how they are reading. Sirius and Remus giving a xmas present to Harry together in OOTP takes on a different meaning in light of the fact that at the end we find out he loved them both and visa versa.
When I first read it, I figured Remus picked out the gift books and Sirius paid. Later I thought, they likely discussed it, in light of my differnt outlooks on their relationships. Do you see what I mean? So I think it just depends on the reader and the impression you have based on what you wish to take away from the story.
Remus' speech to Harry at 12G I am sure shocked many - just as Harry breaking up things in DD's office did when Sirius died I was shocked, it seemed out of character for Harry and I hadn't thought he'd come to love Sirius - it is all a matter of viewpoint and perspective I think. Lupin and Tonks - we have to fill in the entire relationship. I think it is hard for some to do and not for others. Again, I think it just depends on the reader.
But, in the scheme of things, everyone will see things distinctly and that is, in and of itself, a wonderful thing. And I respect your view, although we didn't get the same impression from the reading. We should maybe go to owls cuz this is kind of off topic, lol. Lupin and Harry were pretty close as Harry summoned Lupin back with the ressurection stone, showing he cared about him a lot. Now going back to the believability of the Lupin and Tonks thing Like Harry and Ginny, it was largely in the background.
I fully believe that J.
K Rowling would not have written it so that Lupin did not love Tonks. What would be the point of putting two of the good guys together, having them marry and have a good kid, having every good character approve of the relationship and then not having them love each other?
Sorry to put it so simplistically, but I think it makes sense. After all, there is as much evidence that Lupin loved Tonks as there is that Lily loved James, but that appears to go without saying.
Polaris17 September 19th,1: It was definitely unsatisfactory, in any case. I think they met through the order because I always imagined Tonks to be a lot younger than Remus so I don't see how they could've met before. They probably started really dating at the end of HBP after Dumbledore's death but they started having feelings for each other sometime during the end of Ootp and HBP Remus probably rejected her and that's why she became so depressed.
The same thing happened when Tonks was pregnant he probably felt disgusted at the idea that he might've passed his problem onto another person because he knew how hard it was to live as a werewolf. They became a couple late in HBP if I remember rightly. I believe that Lupin definitely did love Tonks as much as she did him which resulted in what seemed like coldness. He cared for her so much that he would do anything to protect her, even if it meant that they could not be together.
It was really noble of him I suppose. It would be hard to do such a thing when you love someone so much but obviously Tonks loved him too much accept his reasoning behind it; she wanted them to be together despite everything. MmeBergerac September 19th,2: I suppose that they were brought closer than the usual among members of the Order because of Sirius, best friend of one and relative of the other, who, besides, needed a lot of company.
I think they soon became good friends you know, I can't figure Tonks telling that of "You'd prefer it if your mother had called you Nymphadora" to Kingsley or Arthur and soon it grew something more serious: They completed each other, you know.
I think they were beginning as a couple when the battle at the MoM took place. Then Sirius died, Tonks was injured, and I think Lupin got a bit scared of loosing her. So when DD sent him with the werewolves, he split up with her with the excuse of his task, and she got depressed; and the more he was among the werewolves, the most he convinced himself that he didn't deserve her. Here's where I suppose the 'million times' took place, but, as she couldn't make him change his mind, she got still more depressed.
I think he Remus loved her more than his life and thought sincerely that she was the best had ever happened to him. But when he realized the kind of life scorn, discrimination, etc that marrying him would imply for her, he thought he had ruined her. He probably feared that one day his love wouldn't be enough to make up for all she and their child would have to endure.
Let's remember that poor Remus has a depressive character. It doesn't justify thinking of abandoning her, but I can understand the situation. I've read many of you never could see Remus and Tonks as a couple.
It's true that we see them very little together, but I can imagine them perfectly. Of course, it's perfect! Polaris I think most of us definitely wish for a more detailed account of Remus and Tonks' relationship: However, Harry's story must take precedence: But in a way, having little to go on is good too, as we can each have our own perspective on it.
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Ifink2much September 19th,7: I don't see that Remus loved Tonks. Having said that I know that Rowling meant for it to seem so,otherwise she wouldn't have had them get together,get married and have a child. I can't help it,I still find them terrible ill-suited.
That is definite in my opinion, it just obviously did not work for you, which is of course an opinion you are completely entitled to. Solaris23 September 20th,3: These two just did not gel or feel natural to me and more often than not came off as totally random and Even when they had Teddy I got the feeling that Remus was forced or tricked into it and though he seemed to love the idea of having a son after Teddy was born, it seems like a small repreive for what Remus was probably still viewing as a big mistake he made in marrying Tonks.
It was very disheartening for me to see him falter like that. I realize JKR wants to show that her characters have faults like everyone else, and that it probably revealed Harry's maturity in that Remus confided and leaned on him and Harry was able to speak to him as an equal.
But all that doesn't diminish my feelings. I felt much like Harry did, though I wouldn't have been so rude to Lupin. I can totally understand that. We didn't see Tonks and Remus together hardly at all - and when we did, Remus was in his "worry" state. They both expressed regret that Harry could not attend. Around this time Tonks became pregnant. This may have been because of several reasons: Remus was extremely upset by the pregnancy.
He believed that by marrying Tonks he had made her an outcast among society, because of his lycanthropyas well as feared that he would pass on his affliction to their child. Remus briefly left his wife, as well as visited Harry, Ron, and Hermione in Grimmauld Placewhere he told them that most of the guests had escaped after the wedding was attacked, as well as that Voldemort had taken over the Ministry.
He requested to accompany Harry, Ron, and Hermione on their quest to find and destroy Voldemort's Horcruxes. Harry felt slightly guilty, but hoped that it would be worth it if Remus returned to his pregnant wife, which he subsequently did. They named Harry Potter his godfather. Remus convinced Tonks to remain behind at her parents' home with their newborn son initially, but she found the thought of her husband rushing off to battle and possibly dying while she waited in safety unbearable.